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In this episode of Chamber On, host Matt Appenzeller sits down with Cas Maxwell, Co-Founder and CEO of AI Owl, to explore how artificial intelligence (AI) is reshaping the workplace, especially for small to mid-sized businesses.
By sharing real-world applications (including a case study from the Columbus Zoo), Cas explains how employers can gain a competitive edge through workforce training and even get reimbursed for training through Ohio’s TechCred program. If you’ve been on the fence about AI or simply not sure where to start, this conversation offers practical insights and a compelling reason to embrace new technology.
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Matt Appenzeller
Hello and welcome to the Chamber On podcast, the go to podcast for small employers and local Chambers of Commerce in Ohio. I'm your host, Matt Appenzeller, President and CEO of the Southern Ohio Chamber Alliance, also known as SOCA. We're an alliance of 130 Chambers of Commerce in Ohio. And today we have a very special guest. We have the co-founder and CEO of AI Owl, Cas Maxwell. Cas, thanks for joining us today.
Cas Maxwell
Thanks for having me, Matt. Appreciate it.
Matt Appenzeller
You bet. You bet. So, Cas, you know you mentioned in your bio you grew up in Morgan County, Appalachia. Typically not known for tech companies. So where did you get your influences to start a tech company and get involved in this?
Cas Maxwell
Yeah, I think originally, yeah, like you said, growing up in Appalachia, it's not, you don't think tech. You definitely think energy, manufacturing, you know, that type of, that type of work. But I went to Kent State, and then I decided to open a restaurant. Actually, when I left Kent State, that's how I cut my teeth, was a restaurateur. I grew that to about five locations, at its peak, myself and a couple of friends, actually, that I brought down from college to be partners in that. But through the hospitality industry, I mean, we were always trying to find the ways to get a technological edge, you know what I mean, on other restaurants. And so I think it was a little bit in me. But then, you know, about three years ago, if we all remember, Chat GPT came out. Right, right, right. What was really the catalyst to AI Owl. We had a mentor. He was an older gentleman who has since passed, but he talked to myself and my business partner in this company, and he told us, he's like, hey guys, you know, I've seen the revolution of the internet, the calculator, the desktop computer, you know, I've seen all of this. He's like, this is bigger than all of those, right? And he said, if you can really think about this and figure out how to wrap a business around it, you're really going to be the tip of the spear and ahead of the wave. So we took that advice seriously. And, you know, started at the end of 2022 you know, figuring out, how are we going to help society adopt this new technology? And kind of, through that, AI Owl was born. So that's, that's, that's a little of how the pizza guy got to.
Matt Appenzeller
Yeah, no, that's, that's cool there. Tech has a lot to do with it, with any business nowadays, right? So, so, so we're going to get into, you know, how you are, how AI Owl is a, basically a workforce training program, but you're also working with Ohio Tech, the state of Ohio's Tech Cred program. We're going to get into that in a little bit, but let's just sort of lay the, lay the situation down here a little bit. So we've got this, as you just mentioned, right? We've got this emerging technology, and now it's, you know, almost in full swing now and so what problem does that present for small employers, just in general, whether you do nothing or whether you do something?
Cas Maxwell
Yeah, so the, you know first and foremost is, anytime you see whether it's a civilization, whether it's a business, embrace technology, you immediately start to have a competitive edge over the rest of, you know, the people in your comparable space. And so I think it's, it's here to stay. We always say, you know, so doing nothing is definitely not the answer. But I think what makes this technology different is the fact that, well, number one, we can communicate with it with her natural language, right? So you and I are talking here today. That's how we can speak to these large language models and be able to get an output that is, that is, you know, going to help our stuff. We always joke around and say, you know, three or four years ago, if you had a high school intern, you know, you would say, hey, can you reformat this invoice for me? Well, the first question they would have is, what's an invoice? Right? Yeah, right. So now you have AI, which is this thought partner and that same intern, you know, can now go in there and say, hey, you know, my boss said reformatted invoice. Don't know what that is, you know, help me out, and it's going to then, you know, give you step one through 10 on how to get that done. So not only does it close an experience gap, but it's going to make each company, obviously, wildly more efficient, and it's going to give them the competitive edge on that. And it's such a low barrier to entry, you know, it's not like these other technologies, where you had to spend 10s of 1000s of dollars to bring hardware in and you could only get it if you were the top of the top, Fortune 500. You know now your everyday Mom and Pop insurance company down the road can actually take this stuff, implement it and compete with the big guys. You know, that's right, differences. It's a gap closer.
Matt Appenzeller
Yeah, right. So, correct me, if I'm wrong here, because you see it with small to medium sized businesses all the time like, so you mentioned just the task of, you know, reformatting an invoice. But to me, it seems like the implications of this technology is that it's going to impact like, literally, every job at every level of every company, because you can use it for efficiency gains and whatnot. So am I wrong about that? Or can you, can you expound upon that? Or what?
Cas Maxwell
Yeah, it's it, yeah. I mean, it's going to infiltrate, like you said, every part, whether it's just a front end customer service worker, all the way up to someone who's, you know, leading an entire organization and everything in between, to give to kind of roll back a little bit too, and explain what we do and kind of how we see this layout is, you know, we really go into businesses as a trainer, right? So we're going into these businesses. We're spending eight to 10 hours with these businesses and showing them, you know, how to get AI from demystification to integration within their organization. So, what is it? What is it not all the way to how do we work with the tools? How do we create custom workflows and actually get that implemented? So I want to level set there, because I think what I'm about to say next is going to make more sense. You know, through that understanding with the client of how they're going to be using the tools, the client then starts to think, okay, what are the problems that I have that I, you know, AI can solve, right? So it's almost a chicken or the egg, you know, we first learn how to use AI, and then we understand its capabilities. And then we can bring a developer and we can bring other instructors in to really solve local problems within that organization. So it can be things as simple as a chat bot. Maybe they just need an HR chat bot that intakes all of their HR information so they can just ask questions to it, rather than have to call up the HR person every time, all the way to a grand scale with, you know, we're working with the Columbus Zoo. It's a really cool story. So working with the zookeepers, they said, hey, you know, we are watching hours upon hours of camera footage of these animals, and then we have to fill out reports. It should be great if AI could do that for me, right? So I can spend more time with the animals, versus watching a TV screen. And so through AI, you know, we were able to build a computer vision system. That computer vision system watches the animals. Now, you know, how much are they sleeping? Are they fighting? Are they in the shade? Are they hungry? Are they agitated? You know, whatever these animals are going on, and then automatically filling that report to then give the zookeepers back time. That's the big thing is this is taking those tasks we don't want and giving you back the time to focus on your passion within your organization. I know that was a lot, but that's, you know.
Matt Appenzeller
But that is so interesting, just using, using that as a case study, right? I mean, again, we started out talking about, like, the breadth of applications for this. And here you are. The first thing you're doing, you're talking about, talking about the zoo, right? Really interesting there. So, so tell us about just the training itself, like you go in there. I know it's just not like a one size fits all, but you have different levels of training. So tell us about, you know, 1.0 2.0 and so forth.
Cas Maxwell
Yeah, so it's pretty the 1.0 is very straightforward. So what we're going to do is a business reaches out to us, you know, or we reach out to them and we say, you know, hey, where are you at on your AI roadmap, right? So is your team a power user already? Or, you know, is there Terry in the back room that's never opened up his laptop and seen Chat GPT, right? Like, where are we at, you know, on the roadmap? But then it's our goal to meet that organization, where they are in their AI journey, right? And then kind of give them that golden ratio of, let's try to have, you know, AI do a lot of the work where we still have it human centered, to where you're double checking and cleaning up anything that needs cleaned up. So we first identify that, then from there, we have 12 different modules, and we're kind of building those out further and further. Those are everything, like data analytics, communication and marketing, and we have law enforcement, we have ethics, we have intro to business. We're working on a law module now nonprofit and everything in between. We'll select a couple of those modules with the organization, and then, like I said, from there, we're actually deploying a trainer on site to wherever they are. In Ohio, of course, and then we spend eight to 10 hours, and we're doing everything from actually talking about AI on a philosophical level all the way down to, let's actually open up our computers. Let's bring problems to the table, and we're going to show you how to solve those problems through these modules. So very interactive. I always say, it's not death by PowerPoint, you know, it's very, it's very.
Matt Appenzeller
Yeah, very cool.
Cas Maxwell
But that's like I said, that's 1.0 and then, and usually through that, like I said, people start to identify problems, like we saw at the zoo, and they go, oh, I think I need this system to talk to each other. I need this to be automated. And from there we have a 2.0 which is more of an integration. So where we bring a developer in from our team, another instructor, and we start to teach that company. This is how we actually build a customer. This is how, like, you can build a custom workflow. You know, you don't have to be a techie, you know, hardcore engineer, developer anymore, like the common person can build these tools, and we're going to teach you how to do that. So that's really kind of the journey that we take the customer through.
Matt Appenzeller
And your wheelhouse with this is small to medium sized businesses, right?
Cas Maxwell
Definitely, yeah, yeah. We can work with all sizes, but our bread and butter is definitely small to medium sized business.
Matt Appenzeller
Okay, so, so tell us how you got started with Ohio TechCred. And just for our listeners out there, because you're, it's my understanding, you're the heaviest user of Ohio TechCred, right? So tell, tell the listeners you know what that actually is, and then you know how it's implemented with how it ties in with AI Owl.
Cas Maxwell
Yeah, it's a, it's an incredible grant program. So if you haven't heard of it, it started back, I believe it was, I think it was 2019 was Lieutenant Governor Husted, now Senator Husted. He started the program, and he wanted to basically upskill Ohio, right? I think he knew that the fact that how fast technology is moving, you know, what we're learning today in high school and college around technology is probably going to be outdated in 10 years, right? And so we have to have a mechanism for us as a society to keep up with these technological changes, kind of which is where tech cred came in. So it's a very simple grant. You know, we work with the business directly. We have a customer success team that helps walk there, whether it's CFO, CEO, treasurer, whoever, through the actual grant application, they apply takes about 15-20 minutes, select us as their provider, and then it's a reimbursable grant. So once we train we issue an invoice and the state reimburses right into your bank account within 30 days after that invoice is paid. So it's a very seamless program, and I encourage anybody to take it, even if it's not an AI Owl, you know, there you can get your drones pilot license on there. You can get, there's some manufacturing credentials like, it's a very robust and pretty amazing program, honestly.
Matt Appenzeller
That is absolutely amazing. And just as you said, it's a great way for Ohioans to keep pace with, from a competitive standpoint, keep pace with other states, right? If we don't do that, then you know, we're, we're going to lose jobs and the economy will suffer also. So, Cas, I was going to ask you, like, what are, what are some of the most common things that, or is there even a common thing that you're seeing with employers who use AI Owl training through the Ohio TechCred program?
Cas Maxwell
There's definitely a commonality between, there's a couple. One, though, is the willingness to embrace the willingness to embrace the technology. You know, you would be surprised. We talked to so many organizations, and one of the first kind of points of friction, there's, like, I got an old school team, you know, like they're not, we're not into that kind of stuff, right? We're still using paper, and we're, you know, there's no way I can get Bob in the back to use this, right? Like we hear that, like, if I had $1 for every time we hear that, the answer is, you know, hey, this, this program allows you to do it risk free, number one, right? So let's test it out. But every 10 out of 10 times we get in there, we train those people. And you know, Bob in the back that wants nothing to do with technology, he ends up becoming the biggest champion there. He's the one saying this is crazy. I didn't know, you know what I mean. I didn't know it could do that. And I think it's just being unaware that this is out there, and then it's not the Terminator, you know? It's something that is a tool in your tool belt that not only is it going to make you more efficient and make your organization better, faster, stronger, but it's fun to play around with, right? And you'll find the people that were most resistant tend to become the people that adopt it heaviest. It's very interesting. So that's a huge commonality that I think we see when we're doing our trainings.
Matt Appenzeller
Yeah, I'm sure it is.
Cas Maxwell
How about you? Are you a user?
Matt Appenzeller
Yeah, yeah, actually, so we have a program we work with a company called Magi, so they have several different LLM platforms on their site. They're like an aggregator. And so, yeah, I've used it for a number of things. I'd say, you know, since you've asked the question, probably one of the coolest things that I used it for is, from a chamber of commerce standpoint, was to take different demographics and ask what would be my ideal customer profile, you know, for a chamber member in that particular demographic and and I was able to get different answers from, say, like the the Sydney, Shelby Chamber of Commerce, versus like the Springdale Chamber Of Commerce down here in Cincinnati. So it's kind of an interesting way of looking at things, but.
Cas Maxwell
I'll take you, if you don't mind, I'll take you one step further. What you said there is it kind of reminds me we're working on this. It's very similar to what you did, but it kind of takes that to the next level for sales people. So, like, if you're looking for a particular organization or particular person that you're trying to sell to, we can actually have AI now go in there, find that person on LinkedIn, kind of web scrape information on, you know, what are they saying on social media? What are they passionate about? And almost building a persona of that person to where, before we get to a sales call, I can learn kind of who Matt is. You know what I mean? Yeah, maybe what are going to be some great selling points I can talk about, you know, does Matt talk a lot about Ohio State football on his Facebook? You know, is that a way we can connect? So, you know, there's, there's so many cool things that AI can do that you just, you just, you don't think about unless you're messing with it every day. So, right, yeah, I'm glad you're doing that. That's awesome.
Matt Appenzeller
Yeah, it is cool. It's been a good tool for us. So, so you mentioned earlier about, you know, Bob in the back, right? Let's get back to Bob. So, I mean, let's, let's face it, there is a fear out there that there's going to be, you know, a lot of displacement with jobs, right? Not unlike any other technology that has come out in the past. So, so how are you addressing that? Or, you know, how do you handle those objections, or whatnot?
Cas Maxwell
The way that I think we handle those objections is, so there's an interesting phenomenon when we train, when we go in and we bring a person in, you know, and we have a person to person training atmosphere, what we find is those people are telling us what they want AI to do, right? So the people that are sitting in these jobs, that are afraid that AI is going to take their job. They're telling us what they want AI to do. What that stuff usually is, is the minute tasks that they're not passionate about, right? Excel, sales force, you know, I gotta, I gotta punch a keyboard, right? I'm a salesman. I have to punch a keyboard after a sale and put in all the customer information. I don't like doing that. I want AI to do that, right? So, kind of the step one is they're getting what they don't like off their plate. And kind of where we see society heading is, once they get that off their plate, they now have time right? Time is freed up for them to then focus on their true passion within that role, whether that's going back to the zookeepers, you know, working with the animals, and what we're seeing is the fact that they get that time, it creates a happier workplace because they're only focused on stuff they're passionate about, which, in turn, in an organization, a happier workplace usually leads to higher sales, higher profit, because there's a happy culture within that. And so I think what you're going to see is there may be a quick disruption at the beginning, and that what you said, might happen a little bit here and there, but I think in the long term, what you're going to see is time is going to be freed up, and that time is going to allow people to now focus on what's the next frontier, right? What's the next thing we need to work on? How can we strategize to take us from a company of 100 to a company of 1000 or whatever that is. So that's my response to that. I think that AI is going to take care of the stuff we don't like. It's going to free up time, which is going to allow us to focus on passion and expand our organization, or expand our thought.
Matt Appenzeller
Well, yeah, I happen to agree with that. And you mentioned, you know, just kind of the stuff that we're using now, but we also need to prepare the next generation behind us to be, to be using this, this technology, and not only just to use it, but to use it responsibly, ethically. So tell us how you’re working with educators, and how you're using your training programs on that.
Cas Maxwell
With education, I'm sure, if you have relationships with some people that are educators, that is, I'd say, out of every sector, that's the hottest button, right? Like, yeah, you think AI in education, you, I think a lot of people's head goes to a student that is just saying, write me a 10 page paper, and what are we learning? Right? That's where everybody's mind goes. And so we started working with schools, and first and foremost, we're like, we have to get the teachers and the admin train, right? There's this whole new AI world that, you know, as an educator, we're responsible for those students, you know, to get out into the world, be prepared for the world. And so how can we prepare our students for the world if we don't actually know what that world looks like?
Matt Appenzeller
Now, are those schools using tech cred, also the tech cred program?
Cas Maxwell
It extends to, you know, that that is part of the workforce. That extends there as well. So, you know, getting the administrators and the teachers trained, you know, that's step one, so they understand how it fits in their classroom, how to shape policy around how to, you know, build, be more efficient. But then also, where are their students going in the world, and how are they going to use it? So we get them through. Once again, Bob in the back, same thing. You know, usually the teacher that's totally against it becomes the biggest advocate after the training. But we get them through, and then we focus on the student, right? So back to the intern, intern story. We know that when we empower students, they can now work at this whole other level than what they used to be able to. So with the students, we've created an 18 week course in collaboration with Intel that we start putting students through. And it's a full semester course. You know, it takes them, once again, kind of through demystification to how is AI going to be used in the world today, and everything in between. It's all project based learning. We have a really cool group of students right now in Ridgewood, Ohio, which is like Coshocton. This is a group of, I believe there's seven women in tech. These girls are all like, 17 years old, not, not tech focused people. Like one wants to go play basketball, one wants to be a nurse. They decided to take this class. And through that class, they're actually building an AI system that is going to help third graders, fourth graders read, right? So it's like an ad lib style AI software, so the Student puts in, hey, I'm passionate about horses and castles. I'm pretending I'm a third grader here. And then it creates the story around what that student likes. And it starts to read that student, you know, reads the story with the AI, and then it'll stop. Then you have to click, based on your vocabulary words of the week, what fits in that spot, right? And it and it continuously paints that story for the student to keep them engaged through imagination. So I went off a little off tangent there, but that, that's, that's the kind of the link is figuring out, you know, how do we get teachers involved? How do we train the students on how to ethically use it, so it's not just feels like a cheating tool and get everybody on the other side? You know, AI ready?
Matt Appenzeller
Well, yeah, I mean, I think the first thing, I mean, it's easy to say, it's like, getting everybody to use it, right, and, and that's hard. So let me ask you this, just as a trainer, like, like, one of the frustrations that that we have is, like, the pace of technology is going so fast, right? It's just hard to keep up. So like, how are you guys keeping up as trainers with all this stuff? I mean, do you have a dedicated team just for that? Or how do you do that?
Cas Maxwell
Yeah, to answer your question, that's, we do. So we have, I would say, comes from a couple three different areas. We have some strategic partnerships, you know, with Intel, Khan,Academy, Dell, like those guys. So we're kind of hearing, on a macro level, what's happening, how the technology world is being shaped, from them, we also have a team inside right that are constantly digging up things, figuring out what's, what's the next best thing. But for us too, is, is it's not just about what's the next best thing? It's making sure that it's vetted, it's protected, and that it's going to be around for a while. Because this is just like the.com bubble, right? There's going to be companies that are going to be your staple companies, and there's going to be companies that are all the wayside. And the worst thing that you can do as a business is take an AI system, integrate your entire staff into it, and they go belly up in a year, right? Yeah. And because we all know how, as a business, how much it takes to reintegrate a point of sale system, a you know, customer relationship management, it's a huge lift, right? So that's part of our mission too, is to make sure the things that we're bringing to businesses are vetted and what we think are the best. But I think lastly, we hire so many high school tech interns and college tech interns, like, we have a huge internship team. And, you know, the youth always, they're always bringing the hot, new stuff, you know, they're always on the cutting edge. So being able to talk to them, what do you what are you seeing in the world? So those are kind of the three ways I think we're keeping up as the best we can.
Matt Appenzeller
Well, the cool thing about youth is that they just, they come in with a different perspective, right? I mean, you know, we're there. I'm set in my ways, so to speak. I do try to keep up, but, but they come up with a fresh perspective. So you talked about the next best thing. So we've, you know, AI has sort of evolved from LLMs, and then now we're starting to get into AI agents. Is that the next best thing, or is that just a subject that's so broad that you need to talk about it in a different context?
Cas Maxwell
Yeah. I mean, I think where we are now, yeah, definitely the agentic AI, you know, however you want to call it a buzzword, you know, wherever we are in that journey. Agentic is definitely where we are.
Matt Appenzeller
So, so what? What is your definition of agentic AI?
Cas Maxwell
My definition is, you know, we now have the capability to build out AI agents, right? So specific AI to do specific tasks. So versus, you know, when the first, when Chat GPT dropped in November of 22 it was a large language model. We could go in, we could talk to it, we get an output. That output could shoot off into too many different verticals, right? Whereas agentic, you know, we're now looking at a critical process or a critical problem, and we're saying we're going to build like your job is to do this, right? And that's it, like you don't, you don't go out of your sphere to talk about this or that, or go to Google and search this like your job is simply to transcribe my meetings and fill in Salesforce for me. You know, right? That that is agentic is just honing in AI to do just one specific task or one specific process without it hallucinating and doing anything else, right?
Matt Appenzeller
Okay, so people can find AI Owl at aiowl.org, Cas, I do have just like a, it's kind of like a two fold question, right? So if I'm a, if I'm a small business owner, or small to medium sized business owner here in Ohio, and I'm thinking about, you know, doing some sort of training, but I don't know, you know where to, where to go. I kind of look on AI Owl, you know what's, what's really the next step for me as far as getting some training and getting into the Ohio Tech Cred program?
Cas Maxwell
I mean, it's as easy like, if you're going to engage with our team, it's as easy as hopping on the website, you know, AIOwl.org, click on Contact Us, one of our team members will reach out and we'll get you on that path. I mean, that is, that's as easy as that. And if you feel like you're not ready for that step, I would, I'd encourage you just to get on Gemini Claude, you know, co-pilot, chat GPT and just play around, you know, say, hey, I've got green peppers in my fridge and hamburger. What can I make for dinner tonight? You know, just, just start at the very basic level, just to understand the minimal capability. I always say, you know, you would never try to pull your own tooth out, right Matt? You'd go to the dentist.
Matt Appenzeller
True, very true, yes.
Cas Maxwell
So, so, so many people are trying to figure out the AI internally. It's like, there, there's people out there, you know, to help you with that, you know. So let us be the dentist and help you pull that, you know, that tooth out, you know that headache you're having, right? I can fix, right.
Matt Appenzeller
So, so if I'm now, here's the other part of that I told you is gonna be twofold. So if I'm just starting out my career, and you know, maybe this stuff wasn't really around when I was in college, but now I'm starting my career, and, like, here it is. It's like, oh, crap. Now, what do I do? Like, what's your advice to that kind of person?
Cas Maxwell
I would say, if you're currently employed, then I would talk to your employer about it because the employer has to apply for, you know, TechCred. Obviously, talk to your employer and say, hey, I want to do this. I'm going to pick out some credentials to get myself AI ready, and get that on my resume. You know, we have several different credentials, so does other people. So that's one step. If they're not, if they're unemployed or under deployed, I would go to your Ohio Means Jobs office, right? You know, we're starting to work with Job Family Services. Ohio Means Jobs to be able to bring that population and go, hey, you know, let's, let's get you AI ready, you know, let's get you fluent and show society why it's so powerful to have that on your resume. So those would, those would be the two options.
Matt Appenzeller
So you're getting them a credential, then?
Cas Maxwell
Yes, yeah, stackable credentials and AI definitely.
Matt Appenzeller
That is awesome. That is awesome. So, I mean, it's just an evolving topic, and we could talk about it forever here. But, you know, is there anything else that you would like to share with listeners of the program about, you know, either AI Owl or what you think the future of AI is going to be in your crystal ball?
Cas Maxwell
Yeah, that's, well, that's a loaded question.
Matt Appenzeller
I know it is, sorry.
Cas Maxwell
No, you’re good. I think that, like I said, I think that the main thing is to start playing around with it. Don't be scared of it, and really start to understand that this is here to stay, that you can build an extreme competitive edge by integrating this stuff. And I think it's just, I'm most excited to see what humans are going to do with it. And once we get this time back, and once this is integrated, you know, human intelligence, along with artificial intelligence, is going to explode, and people are going to do so many wonderful things. And so, so my crystal ball is that everybody is AI fluent in the next couple of years, and that our mystification of it is gone, and we're embracing it, and we're a better society because of it.
Matt Appenzeller
Yeah, I think, I hope that's the case. And I think, you know, the mystification of it is an impediment. I just think that people, I got some really good advice a couple of weeks ago is like, you know, just spend 15 minutes a day, yep, right? Just just small bites and and, you know, you just learn and you gain confidence. You know, each time, each time you do it. So, Cas, thanks, thanks very much for joining us once again. Cas, Maxwell of AI Owl. You can find them at aiowl.org. But Cas, I do have one very important question before we let you go, that every, every guest on the Chamber On podcast, must answer. So who is the greatest rock and roll band of all time? Is it? Is it the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, or Led Zeppelin?
Cas Maxwell
I have to choose one of those three ,or can I choose my own?
Matt Appenzeller
You're the guest. You can say whatever you want.
Cas Maxwell
I mean, I love Led Zeppelin. I mean, if I'm choosing out of those three, I'm choosing Led Zeppelin. My personal favorite is probably the Eagles. I love it. And whether, you know they're not, maybe as hard rock. But I grew up with the Eagles. My dad, you know, he played that in the cassette player every day, you know? So I think I know just about every song they ever, they ever sung,
Matt Appenzeller
I would say that that's a good choice. You're actually the second guest on our program who has chosen the Eagles. So, but because I'm partial to Led Zeppelin, I'm going to give you a half vote for Led Zeppelin and a half vote for Eagles. So Jim, mark us up Jim.
Cas Maxwell
So what does Jim like? What's, uh, who's his out of those three?
Matt Appenzeller
Jim is Team Beatles. All the way. Jim, you can make a compelling argument for all of them, but yes, I know. So Cas, thanks so much for joining us on the Chamber On podcast. We look forward to learning more about AI Owl and about the Ohio Tech Cred program. Just thank you so much for being here.
Cas Maxwell
No thank you for having me, if anybody, myself, and then my co-founder, Trace Johnson, we're both on LinkedIn, so find us, reach out to us, and yeah, happy to continue the conversation. But thank you, Matt, thank you, Jim. It's been fun today. Thank you.
Matt Appenzeller
Very cool. Thanks a lot. Chamber On everybody.